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    The fifth gospel of Thomas was written in India
    archmageDate: Saturday, 14-July-2012, 1:05 PM | Message # 1
    -- dragon lord--
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    The fifth gospel of Thomas was written in India.

    It has not been included in the Bible, it was not available to Constantine, who was compiling, and who was deciding what was to be included and what was not to be included. It was because of him that all these ideas and mythologies and fictions have been added to the life of Jesus.

    Jesus sent Thomas to south India.

    Thomas, is the disciple closest to Jesus. But his sayings are not included in the Bible, because the real Jesus and his closest disciples have to be excluded – they are too dangerous.

    Jesus was trained in one of the oldest secret schools.
    The school was called Essenes. The teaching of the Essenes is pure Vedanta.That’s why Christians don’t have a record of what happened to Jesus before his thirtieth year.


    They have a little record of his childhood, and they have a record after his thirtieth year up to the thirty-third, when he was crucified – they know a few things.

    But a phenomenon like Jesus is not an accident; it is a long preparation, it cannot happen just any moment.

    Jesus was continuously being prepared during these thirty years.

    He was first sent to Egypt and then he came to India.

    In Egypt he learned one of the oldest traditions of secret methods, then in India he came to know about the teachings of Buddha, the Vedas, the Upanishads, and he passed through a long preparation.

    Those days are not known because Jesus worked in these schools as an unknown disciple.

    And Christians have knowingly dropped those records, because they would not like the son of God to also be a disciple of somebody else.

    They would not like the very idea that he was prepared, taught, trained – that looks humiliating.

    They think the son of God comes absolutely ready.

    If you look without, the world of the many exists; if you look within, then the world is one.

    If you go outside you may achieve much, but you will miss the one.

    The pearl is symbolic of the one, the inner.

    And that one is your very center; if you miss it you have missed all.

    You may attain much but that much will not count much in the end, because unless one attains to oneself nothing is attained.

    If you are a stranger to yourself, even the whole world will not fulfill you.

    If you have not got into your own being, then all the riches will make you even poorer.

    The truth is so clear, but still we go on missing.

    Man, if he lives with the mind, can never be innocent — and only in innocence does the divine descend, or do you ascend to the divine.

    Innocence is the door.

    Mind is cunning, calculating, it is clever, and because of this cleverness you miss – you miss the reality of life.

    If you are not awake, you are not here, you simply believe that you are.

    This belief won’t help.

    You are not alert, you are not awake: you simply think that you are awake and alert.

    Your sleep continues from birth to death.

    If somebody came to Jesus to ask what he should do to change, Jesus would say:

    You cannot do anything to change unless you become awake.

    What can you do?

    What can a man who is fast asleep do to change his dreams?

    The deepest urge in man is to be totally free.

    Freedom from mind, is the goal.

    Jesus calls it the kingdom of God…


    Osho – The Mustard Seed : Commentaries on the Fifth Gospel of Thomas

    untotenawake
    MORE - http://www.aryanblood.org/forum/34-1521-1
    http://www.aryanblood.org/forum/36-1305-1

    Osho - Jesus never died on the cross. It takes at least forty-eight hours for a person to die on the Jewish cross; and there have been known cases where people have existed almost six days on the cross without dying. Because Jesus was taken down from the cross after only six hours, there is no possibility of his dying on the cross.

    It was a conspiracy between a rich sympathizer of Jesus and Pontius Pilate to crucify Jesus as late as possible on Friday -- because on Saturday, Jews stop everything; their Sabbath does not allow any act. By the evening of Friday everything stops.

    The arrangement was that Jesus would be crucified late in the afternoon, so before sunset he would be brought down. He might have been unconscious because so much blood had flowed out of the body, but he was not dead. Then he would be kept in a cave, and before the Sabbath ended and the Jews hung him again, his body would be stolen by his followers. The tomb was found empty, and Jesus was removed from Judea as quickly as possible. As he again became healthy and healed, he moved to India and he lived a long life -- one hundred and twelve years -- in Kashmir.

    It is a coincidence, but a beautiful coincidence, that Moses died in Kashmir and Jesus also died in Kashmir. I have been to the graves of both. The graves are ample proof, because those are the only two graves that are not pointing towards Mecca. Mohammedans make their graves with the head pointing towards Mecca, so in the whole world all the graves of Mohammedans point towards Mecca, and Kashmir is Mohammedan.

    These two graves don't point towards Mecca, and the writing on the graves is in Hebrew, which is impossible on a Mohammedan grave -- Hebrew is not their language. The name of Jesus is written exactly as it was pronounced by the Jews, "Joshua." "Jesus" is a Christian conversion of the Jewish name. The grave is certainly of Jesus.

    A family has been taking care of both the graves -- they are very close together in one place, Pahalgam -- and only one family has been taking care of them down the centuries. They are Jews -- they are still Jews -- and I had to take their help to read to me what is written on the graves.

    Moses had come to Kashmir to find a tribe of Jews who were lost on the way from Egypt to Jerusalem. When he reached Jerusalem his deep concern was the whole tribe that had got lost somewhere in the desert. When his people were established in Jerusalem, he went in search of the lost tribe, and he found the lost tribe established in Kashmir. Kashmiris are basically Jewish -- later on Mohammedans forcibly converted them -- and Moses lived with them and died there.

    Jesus also went to Kashmir, because then it was known that Moses had found the lost tribe there. The doors of Judea were closed -- he would be hanged again -- and the only place where he would find the people who speak the same language, the people who have a same kind of mind, where he would not be a foreigner, was Kashmir. So it was natural for him to go to Kashmir.


    untotenawake
    Source/full article - http://www.messagefrommasters.com/Hidden-....dia.htm

    Osho - Jesus did not have this opportunity. He was crucified while he was still a revolutionary and he died, as far as Christianity is concerned, at the age of thirty-three. If you compare Buddha's sayings with those of Jesus there is a clearcut difference. Jesus' sayings look like those of a young man -- hot. Buddha's early sayings were also like this, but he was not crucified for them; he lived to be eighty.

    The reason he was not crucified is that India has always known that this happens. Whenever a person moves within, whenever a buddha enters into himself, his first expression is fiery, revolutionary, rebellious. He bursts open and explodes into fire. But then that phase disappears and ultimately there is only the moon: silent, without any fire, with only light. That is why India has never killed anyone; that is why India has never behaved the way the Greeks behaved with Socrates or the Jews with Jesus.

    Jesus was crucified early. Christianity still remains incomplete because Christianity is based on the early Jesus, on Jesus when he was just a flame. Buddhism is complete. It has known Buddha in all his stages. It has known Buddha's moon in all the stages of the moon -- from the first day to the full moon light.


    untotenawake
    Source/full article - http://www.messagefrommasters.com/jesuschrist/osho_jesus_buddha.htm

    Osho - Jesus speaks the language of a revolutionary when he talks about eternal, nonending punishment -- revolutionaries always look to the opposite end, to the extreme. You cannot conceive of Buddha's saying it or Mahavira's saying it, but Jesus says that a camel can pass through the eye of a needle sooner than a rich man can enter the kingdom of God. He cannot pass! This is the seed of communism, the basic seed. Jesus was a revolutionary. He was not only concerned with spirituality but with economics, politics -- everything. Had he been only a spiritual man he would not have been crucified, but because he became a danger to the whole social structure, to the status quo, he was crucified.

    He was not a revolutionary like Lenin or Mao but still, Mao and Lenin and Marx are inconceivable without there having been a Jesus in history. They belong to the same path as Jesus: the early Jesus, the fiery man -- rebellious, ready to destroy everything -- the Jesus who was crucified.

    But Jesus was not simply revolutionary, he was also a spiritual man. He was, somehow, a mixture of Mahavira and Mao. The Mao was crucified and only the Mahavira remained in the end. The day Jesus was crucified was not only the day of his crucifixion, it was the day of his inner transformation also.

    When Jesus remained silent after Pilate asked him, "What is truth?" he was behaving like a Zen master. If you look at the previous life of Jesus, if you look at his whole previous life, this silence was not like Jesus at all. What happened? Why did he not speak? Why was he at a loss? He was one of the greatest orators the world has ever produced; we may even say, without hesitation, the greatest. His words were so penetrating. He was a man of words, not a man of silence. Why did he suddenly remain silent?

    He was moving toward the cross. Pilate asked him, "What is truth?" Jesus had spent his whole life talking about truth; he was defining only that, that is why Pilate asked him. But he remained silent.

    What happened in Jesus' inner world has never been reported because it is difficult to report. Christianity has allowed it to remain submerged because what happened in the inner world of Jesus can only be interpreted in India, nowhere else. Only India knows about the inner changes, the inner transformation that happens.

    What happened was this: Jesus is suddenly on the verge of crucifixion. He is about to be crucified and now his whole revolution is meaningless. Everything that he has been saying is futile, everything that he has been living for is coming to an end. Everything is finished. And because death is so near, he must now move within. No time can be lost, not a single moment can be lost. He must come to the end of his journey now, and before he is crucified he must complete the inner journey.

    All along he had been on an inner journey. But because he was also entangled with outer problems he could not move to that cool point, the moon point; he remained fiery, hot. But it may be that he did this consciously. Jesus was a disciple of John the Baptist who was a great revolutionary and spiritual leader. John the Baptist had waited for Jesus for many years. Then, on the day he initiated Jesus in the River Jordan, he said to Jesus, "Now take over my work and I will disappear. It is enough." And from that day on, he was rarely seen again; he disappeared. In the words of the inner language, he disappeared from the sun point and moved to the moon point; he became silent. He had done his work and had now given the work to someone who would complete it.

    On the day of the crucifixion Jesus must have become aware that now his work was finished: "There is no longer any possibility of doing anything more now. I must move within. The opportunity must not be lost." That is why, when Pilate asked him what truth is, he remained silent. Because of this, the miracle happened which has remained an enigma for Christianity. Because of this.

    As he was moving to his cooler side, to the moon center, he was crucified. When someone comes to the moon center for the first time, his breathing stops because breathing, too, is an activity of the sun point. Now everything becomes silent; everything is as if dead. They thought he was dead, but he was not. He had simply come to the moon center where breathing stops: no outgoing breath, no ingoing breath -- the gap.

    When one remains in the gap, there is such a deep balance that it is a virtual death. But it is not death. The crucifiers, the murderers of Jesus, thought that he was dead so they allowed his disciples to bring the body down. But he was not dead, and when the cave was opened after three days he was not there. The "dead" body had disappeared. After three days, Jesus was seen again by four or five people. But no one would believe them when they went to the villages to say that Jesus was resurrected. No one would believe it.

    When he escaped from Jerusalem, Jesus went to Kashmir, where he remained. But then his life was not the life of Jesus but the life of Christ. Jesus was the sun point and Christ the moon point. From then on, he remained totally silent. That is why there is no record of him. He would not talk, he would not deliver any message, he would not preach. He remained in Kashmir, not as a revolutionary but as a master, living in his own silence. A few people traveled to be with him. Those who became aware of his presence in Kashmir, without having had any outward information about it, would travel to him. And really, there were not so few -- maybe only a few in comparison to the world, but there were many.


    untotenawake
    Source/full article - http://www.messagefrommasters.com/jesusch....man.htm

    untotenawake
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    OSHO - Jesus didn't create christianity, Emperor Constantine did

    I say unto you that Christianity is one of the most untruthful religions in the world.

    Christianity is a fiction.

    It has not been helpful to humanity in finding the truth in any sense.

    It has been trying to propagate lies so continuously that they have almost become truth.

    Jesus had never even heard the name Christianity. It has been imposed on him, he was not the founder of Christianity.

    His life was written eighty years after his death, by people who had not directly known him.

    Now even Christian scholars have come to the conclusion that the Christian gospels were not written by the apostles but were written by somebody else, because the mountains described are not in the same place where they are described in the gospels. The rivers described are not in the same place where they are described in the gospels.

    Everything was written by people who had not known Jesus Christ, and neither had they lived with Jesus Christ.

    Who exactly was the founder of Christianity?

    One thing is certain, Jesus was not. He never thought about founding a religion, he was simply telling the Jews, “I am your last prophet.”

    He died on the cross as a Jew.

    You can find Buddhism in the teachings of Gautam Buddha; he was the founder. You can find in the teachings of Mahavira that he was the founder of Jainism. You can find in the teachings of Lao Tzu that he was the founder of Taoism. But it is a very strange thing about Christianity: Jesus had no idea at all, was not interested in creating a new religion.

    Then who founded Christianity?

    The man who founded it – you will not believe it – was the Emperor Constantine. The church knows it, but does not allow the public to know it.



    Emperor Constantine of Rome, who headed the Council of Nicea, died as a Christian, but he was baptized only on his deathbed. His whole life he was the high priest of the Sun God religion, which was why he changed the sabbath from Saturday, which was Jesus’ sabbath day, to Sunday. Jews still have their sabbath on Saturday, and Jesus also had lived his whole life believing in the sabbath on Saturday. How did it become Sunday?

    It was Constantine, who was a worshipper of the Sun God. Sunday represents the sun; the followers of the sun have always believed that Sunday is a holy day.

    It was Constantine who was actually the founder of Christianity. He was the decisive factor in the Council of Nicea. It was under his pressure – because he was the emperor of Rome – that the priests voted for the divine personality of Jesus. He made Jesus a divine person. It was his creation, his invention.

    Constantine saw Jesus as a failed messiah, with himself as the real messiah – and his view was ratified by the famous Christian bishop, Eusebius of Caesarea, who said, “It is as if the religion of Abraham is at last fulfilled, not in Jesus, but in Constantine.”

    He also changed Jesus’ birthday from January sixth to December twenty-fifth, the day of the solar rebirth. The twenty-fifth of December, which is celebrated all over the world, is not Jesus’ birthday. The whole idea of their Christmas is bogus – and the church knows it perfectly well but won’t allow people to know about it.

    Jesus was born on January sixth, but under Constantine’s influence and power, it was changed to December twenty-fifth, the day of the solar rebirth. It is thought by the sun worshippers that the sun was born on the twenty-fifth of December.

    The whole of Christianity is living in utter darkness.

    Constantine, killed ten thousand people in a single day. He just called an assembly of all those who were not Catholics in a great auditorium in Rome, and ordered the army to kill everybody: “We don’t want anybody other than Christians in Rome.” He forced the whole of Italy to become Christian… just at the point of a sword.

    The whole history of Christianity is of wars and nothing else – killing and violence.

    Constantine imposed himself as the real last prophet for whom the Jews had been waiting. Of course, the Jews could not crucify the emperor of Rome. And the Christians wanted some royal support; otherwise they were being crucified everywhere. They found a shelter in Constantine, but it was a bargain, purely business. They accepted that Jesus was a failed messiah, and that Constantine was the real messiah.

    But this is not told to the public! Christians are not aware of it. All these scriptures are hidden under the Vatican.

    They have been talking about truth, but they have been hiding immensely important things.

    They have changed all the gospels, they have edited everything that was going to be difficult for them to argue for, to defend.

    The whole of Christianity lives in a paranoia that if anybody finds some truth, then what is going to happen to their lies that they go on propagating?

    The Vatican has an underground library of thousands of scriptures which they have burned, saving only one copy.

    Nobody is allowed to enter, except the pope and the cardinals, to see all the evidence, all the proofs which go against Christianity.

    The public is not allowed to know what the truth is.

    It should open the underground library in the Vatican to all the scholars who want to study there, and Christianity will evaporate without leaving a single trace on the human consciousness.

    Religions teach faith because they cannot help you to find the truth.

    They themselves don’t know where truth is.

    Perhaps, in the whole history of the popes, only one pope was honest.

    This pope was Pope Leo the Tenth in the sixteenth century.

    He is reported to have said, “It has served us well, this myth of Christ.”


    untotenawake
    source // - Osho – Christianity: the deadliest poison and Zen: the antidote to all poisons.
     
    rakshasDate: Monday, 19-November-2012, 5:54 PM | Message # 2
    -- dragon lord--
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    OSHO - Jesus didn't create christianity, Emperor Constantine did

    I say unto you that Christianity is one of the most untruthful religions in the world.

    Christianity is a fiction.

    It has not been helpful to humanity in finding the truth in any sense.

    It has been trying to propagate lies so continuously that they have almost become truth.

    Jesus had never even heard the name Christianity. It has been imposed on him, he was not the founder of Christianity.

    His life was written eighty years after his death, by people who had not directly known him.

    Now even Christian scholars have come to the conclusion that the Christian gospels were not written by the apostles but were written by somebody else, because the mountains described are not in the same place where they are described in the gospels. The rivers described are not in the same place where they are described in the gospels.

    Everything was written by people who had not known Jesus Christ, and neither had they lived with Jesus Christ.

    Who exactly was the founder of Christianity?

    One thing is certain, Jesus was not. He never thought about founding a religion, he was simply telling the Jews, “I am your last prophet.”

    He died on the cross as a Jew.

    You can find Buddhism in the teachings of Gautam Buddha; he was the founder. You can find in the teachings of Mahavira that he was the founder of Jainism. You can find in the teachings of Lao Tzu that he was the founder of Taoism. But it is a very strange thing about Christianity: Jesus had no idea at all, was not interested in creating a new religion.

    Then who founded Christianity?

    The man who founded it – you will not believe it – was the Emperor Constantine. The church knows it, but does not allow the public to know it.



    Emperor Constantine of Rome, who headed the Council of Nicea, died as a Christian, but he was baptized only on his deathbed. His whole life he was the high priest of the Sun God religion, which was why he changed the sabbath from Saturday, which was Jesus’ sabbath day, to Sunday. Jews still have their sabbath on Saturday, and Jesus also had lived his whole life believing in the sabbath on Saturday. How did it become Sunday?

    It was Constantine, who was a worshipper of the Sun God. Sunday represents the sun; the followers of the sun have always believed that Sunday is a holy day.

    It was Constantine who was actually the founder of Christianity. He was the decisive factor in the Council of Nicea. It was under his pressure – because he was the emperor of Rome – that the priests voted for the divine personality of Jesus. He made Jesus a divine person. It was his creation, his invention.

    Constantine saw Jesus as a failed messiah, with himself as the real messiah – and his view was ratified by the famous Christian bishop, Eusebius of Caesarea, who said, “It is as if the religion of Abraham is at last fulfilled, not in Jesus, but in Constantine.”

    He also changed Jesus’ birthday from January sixth to December twenty-fifth, the day of the solar rebirth. The twenty-fifth of December, which is celebrated all over the world, is not Jesus’ birthday. The whole idea of their Christmas is bogus – and the church knows it perfectly well but won’t allow people to know about it.

    Jesus was born on January sixth, but under Constantine’s influence and power, it was changed to December twenty-fifth, the day of the solar rebirth. It is thought by the sun worshippers that the sun was born on the twenty-fifth of December.

    The whole of Christianity is living in utter darkness.

    Constantine, killed ten thousand people in a single day. He just called an assembly of all those who were not Catholics in a great auditorium in Rome, and ordered the army to kill everybody: “We don’t want anybody other than Christians in Rome.” He forced the whole of Italy to become Christian… just at the point of a sword.

    The whole history of Christianity is of wars and nothing else – killing and violence.

    Constantine imposed himself as the real last prophet for whom the Jews had been waiting. Of course, the Jews could not crucify the emperor of Rome. And the Christians wanted some royal support; otherwise they were being crucified everywhere. They found a shelter in Constantine, but it was a bargain, purely business. They accepted that Jesus was a failed messiah, and that Constantine was the real messiah.

    But this is not told to the public! Christians are not aware of it. All these scriptures are hidden under the Vatican.

    They have been talking about truth, but they have been hiding immensely important things.

    They have changed all the gospels, they have edited everything that was going to be difficult for them to argue for, to defend.

    The whole of Christianity lives in a paranoia that if anybody finds some truth, then what is going to happen to their lies that they go on propagating?

    The Vatican has an underground library of thousands of scriptures which they have burned, saving only one copy.

    Nobody is allowed to enter, except the pope and the cardinals, to see all the evidence, all the proofs which go against Christianity.

    The public is not allowed to know what the truth is.

    It should open the underground library in the Vatican to all the scholars who want to study there, and Christianity will evaporate without leaving a single trace on the human consciousness.

    Religions teach faith because they cannot help you to find the truth.

    They themselves don’t know where truth is.

    Perhaps, in the whole history of the popes, only one pope was honest.

    This pope was Pope Leo the Tenth in the sixteenth century.

    He is reported to have said, “It has served us well, this myth of Christ.”


    untotenawake
    source // - Osho – Christianity: the deadliest poison and Zen: the antidote to all poisons.


     
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